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Producing human connections

Talking about feelings isn’t easy, but the alumnae behind CBC’s Love Me podcast make it their business
August 26, 2016
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By Susan Attafuah-Callender


Old classmates, good friends and award-winning collaborators Mira Burt-Wintonick, BA 07, and Cristal Duhaime, BA 06, are the creative minds behind CBC’s new podcast Love Me.

The Montreal-based pair, who graduated from Concordia’s Department of Communication Studies, have won multiple awards for their original radio dramas. Along with creator and host Jonathan Goldstein, BA 92, MA 99, they produced the CBC radio program WireTap, which aired from 2004 to 2015.

Mira Burt-Wintonick and Cristal Duhaime Mira Burt-Wintonick (left) and Cristal Duhaime won the 2015 Prix Italia for Best Original Radio Drama for their work with Jonathan Goldstein on the WireTap episode “Five Modern Tales.” | Photo credit: Joe Rodgers

Starting from scratch just four months before episodes were released this June, Burt-Wintonick and Duhaime picked a name, logo and theme song, developed an original sound, and defined what Love Me is all about.

“We wanted to do something immersive where the sound is very rich and enveloping,” says Burt-Wintonick.

The end result is a show about the messiness of relationships, hosted by Lu Olkowski. It’s a strikingly unique, intimate space for sharing all kinds of personal stories and short fictions.

“On a career level, we were both interested in doing more fiction,” says Duhaime.

Having closed its radio drama department in 2012, CBC was unlikely to greenlight a fiction podcast. The producers had to get creative.

“Mira wrote this beautiful pitch where she kind of camouflaged the fiction,” says Duhaime. “It gives people a way in because they’re engaged in these true, personal stories,” adds Burt-Wintonick.

“When you say ‘radio drama’ people think of these staged, dry, old-fashioned, clunky sounding stories,” says Burt-Wintonick, whose short, engaging fictions break from that mold. She and Duhaime’s work is part of a recent movement to reimagine the radio drama as an art form.

Getting to the heart of it

“There’s the ability to get to a more emotional place through sound and radio, whereas television is so distracting and overwhelming to the senses,” says Duhaime.

Love Me “Relationships are super complicated in my own life too,” says Mira Burt-Wintonick. “I love having an excuse to ask people really personal questions — it helps me work my own stuff out.” | Photo credit: Ben Shannon, courtesy of CBC

The medium makes all the difference — not just for listeners but for guests sharing their stories, as many of the interviews featured on Love Me were recorded over the phone.

“I think it’s easier for them to forget that they’re doing this very public, expository, vulnerable thing when they’re just talking on the phone, like they would with their friends,” says Burt-Wintonick.

“We’re both love experts now,” she jokes.

The truth is Burt-Wintonick and Duhaime believe that no one knows what they’re doing with love and see their podcast as a comforting platform to face that. “It’s nice to hear other people’s stories, especially when you’re going through similar experiences,” says Duhaime.

“There are tons of shows about science or different social phenomena but you don’t often get to showcase emotional struggles,” she adds.

Working relationships

The two are experts in one thing — collaboration.

“It’s tough because creative work is so personal, you feel so attached to the choices that you’re making,” says Burt-Wintonick. “Ultimately, the dialogue and the tension of pushing each other to question our choices is what makes the work better,” adds Duhaime.

The pair credits their sound production classes at Concordia with teaching them to give and take criticism well. The communications studies program encouraged their self-direction.

“I loved that while it was very structured, you were free to do any kinds of projects you liked,” Duhaime says.

“That’s what you have to do when you’re working; develop your own interests and follow those,” adds Burt-Wintonick.

At university, she and Duhaime noticed one another’s projects, as they were two of the only students interested in sound design.

“Mira’s work was always very clean and came from a documentary background while mine was more messy and noisy,” says Duhaime. “I think those two styles complement each other.”

With all eight episodes of Love Me complete and available for streaming or download, Burt-Wintonick and Duhaime are now creating an original radio fiction for Howl, an audio-streaming service.

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